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700 billion shipbuilding plan?

Postby JK » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:07 pm

Trumps shipbuilding plan for an increased Navy could cost nearly $700 billion in government funding, take 30 years to complete and require hiring tens of thousands of skilled shipyard workers - many of whom don't exist yet because they still need to be hired and trained, according to the interviews and the documents reviewed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN16O142

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Re: 700 billion shipbuilding plan?

Postby The Dieselduck » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:21 pm

Absolute madness...
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Re: 700 billion shipbuilding plan?

Postby Big Pete » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:05 am

could be lots of jobs for Canadians with the right skills, so long as he doesn't build a wall along the Canadian Border!!

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Re: 700 billion shipbuilding plan?

Postby JK » Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:12 pm

We can't even get our own up and running without bringing in temp foreign workers. The whole concept is a mess.

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Re: 700 billion shipbuilding plan?

Postby D Winsor » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:24 am

JK wrote:We can't even get our own up and running without bringing in temp foreign workers. The whole concept is a mess.


How much of the High priced "American" help brought in to manage "Our" programs will disappear?
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Re: 700 billion shipbuilding plan?

Postby JK » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:10 am

The whole problem, IMO, is the federal/provincial split.
The feds bring in programs such as the shipbuilding plan, or new regulations.
The provinces are responsible for the training and apprenticeship plans.

The two don't seem to match up because of, dare I say, bureaucratic bungling, funding, getting programs into the trade schools and other random incompetent souls involved. Then it becomes a Irving tale of woe that they have to bring in TFW to do work because there is no one capable of doing it. This is interior work and there is a very capable company in Dartmouth who does this. Maybe they aren't big enough....but....but...Irving managed to build 9 ship for the CG with no TFW. Go figure.

I have no idea of the specifics for the US, and only a fuzzy understanding of here in Canada.

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Re: 700 billion shipbuilding plan?

Postby D Winsor » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:29 am

JK wrote:The whole problem, IMO, is the federal/provincial split.
The feds bring in programs such as the shipbuilding plan, or new regulations.
The provinces are responsible for the training and apprenticeship plans.

The two don't seem to match up because of, dare I say, bureaucratic bungling, funding, getting programs into the trade schools and other random incompetent souls involved. Then it becomes a Irving tale of woe that they have to bring in TFW to do work because there is no one capable of doing it. This is interior work and there is a very capable company in Dartmouth who does this. Maybe they aren't big enough....but....but...Irving managed to build 9 ship for the CG with no TFW. Go figure.

I have no idea of the specifics for the US, and only a fuzzy understanding of here in Canada.


JK You know why the Dartmouth Business or any other company like it didn't get the work is that "Irving doesn't own or could buy the business". So there is no advantage in not being able to "Sell" to themselves basically shifting money from one pocket to another.
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Re: 700 billion shipbuilding plan?

Postby JK » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:37 am

I forgot about that aspect and being from Saint John, aka Irvingland, I know it very well. Irving buys Irving. There's an approved sellers list that has to be used for purchases and employees will be fired if they don't without a pretty good reason. If Irving is using a company more than their own, they will buy it. ( or maybe kill it?).

I was asked in complete seriousness by a new employee from outside the country why everyone was afraid of Irving . LMAO. Where do you even start explaining NB ?!
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Re: 700 billion shipbuilding plan?

Postby JollyJack » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:47 pm

I remember in the early days of the CPF programme in St John, we used Foxbase as a database system. Irving needed a desk computer on every desk in the drydock and the only supplier, at that time (80s) was a company called Commercial Equipment. Irving placed a huge order for desktops, monitors, printers, keyboards etc etc and CE ordered them from their suppliers, on the usual 90 day credit. Irving took delivery (I had a brand new desktop and monitor), but didn't pay CM. At 120 days, CM went bankrupt and Irving paid 10c on the dollar to buy them out. After that, Commercial Equipment was an Irving company.
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Re: 700 billion shipbuilding plan?

Postby JK » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:49 am

Oh yeh, you have to have deep pockets to deal with Irving. They're notorious for paying invoices in that manner. Where you in Saint John during the wood chip battle, JJ? Some fellows gathered a monstrous pile of wood chips on the dock between the sugar refinery and Pugsley wharf. They were going to ship it out to a buyer. Through the hoops and reels they ended up without it. I think everyone saw that coming.

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Re: 700 billion shipbuilding plan?

Postby JollyJack » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:19 am

No, missed that one.
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