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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby JollyJack » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:04 am

ANNEX 2- Requirements to obtain a CoC that meets the STCW 2010 (CoC-STCW 2010) (Engine Department)
2.1 A person who chooses to comply with the STCW 2010 and wishes to obtain a CoC as “Second Engineer Officer less than 3000 kW Propulsion Power” must meet the following:
2.1.1 In order to obtain a CoC as “Second Engineer Officer less than 3000 kW Propulsion Power” a person must:

1. hold a certificate issued under the MPR attesting to their medical fitness to perform the duties and undertake the voyages to which the certificate of competency applies;

2. hold the following Certificates of Proficiency: (see RDIMS 10622741)
a. STCW Basic Safety;
b. Survival Craft and Rescue Boats other than Fast Rescue Boats;
c. STCW Advanced Fire Fighting; and
d. Marine Advanced First Aid;

3. provide proof of competency in:
a. Leadership and Managerial Skills; (see note 2 of ANNEX 3)
b. Maritime Law and Ship’s Business; (see note 3 of ANNEX 3)
c. English Language Skills; (see note 4 of ANNEX 3) and
d. Ship Management Practices taught using Propulsion Plant Simulator Level 2 (see note 6 of ANNEX 3)

4. demonstrate they have the competences listed in column 1 of Table A-III/2 of the STCW Code, using the methods for demonstrating those competences set out in Section 4.2 of ANNEX 4; and

5. have acquired the following sea service on board a vessel, other than a stationary MOU, that has a propulsion power of at least 750 kW: (see notes 11 of ANNEX 3)
a. While holding an engineer CoC that meets Reg. III/1 of STCW Convention, at least 6 months while serving in the function of an engineer in charge of the engineering watch, a second engineer officer or a chief engineer officer; or
b. At least 12 months while serving as an assistant engineer officer.

Rights and Privileges
2.1.2 A CoC as “Second Engineer Officer less than 3000 kW Propulsion Power” grants the holder the same rights and privileges as those granted to a person holding a “Fourth Class Engineer,” with a Second Engineer Endorsement (that meets the STCW Reg. III/3) issued under the current MPR.
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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby JollyJack » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:05 am

ANNEX 2- Requirements to obtain a CoC that meets the STCW 2010 (CoC-STCW 2010) (Engine Department)
2.1 A person who chooses to comply with the STCW 2010 and wishes to obtain a CoC as “Officer in Charge of an Engineering Watch (STCW)” must meet the following:
2.1.1 In order to obtain a CoC as “Officer in Charge of an Engineering Watch (STCW)” a person must:

1. Be at least 18 years of age;

2. hold a certificate issued under the MPR attesting to their medical fitness to perform the duties and undertake the voyages to which the certificate of competency applies;

3. hold the following Certificates of Proficiency (see RDIMS 10622741):
a. STCW Basic Safety;
b. Survival Craft and Rescue Boats other than Fast Rescue Boats;
c. STCW Advanced Fire Fighting; and
d. Marine Advanced First Aid;

4. provide proof of competency in:
a. Leadership and Teamworking Skills; (see note 2 of ANNEX 3)
b. Maritime Law and Ship’s Business; (see note 3 of ANNEX 3)
c. English Language Skills; (see note 4 ANNEX 3)
d. Practical Skills for Marine Engineer (see note 5 ANNEX 3) and
e. Ship watchkeeping practices using a Propulsion Plant Simulator, Level 1; (see note 7 of ANNEX 3)

5. demonstrate they have the competences listed in column 1 of Table A-III/1 of the STCW Code, using the methods for demonstrating those competences set out in Section 4.3 of ANNEX 4; and

6. have acquired one of the following sea service on board vessels, other than a stationary MOU, that have a propulsion power of at least 750 kW; (see note 12 of ANNEX 3)
a. at least 6 months carrying out the functions of an assistant engineer officer as part of an engineering watch, under the supervision of an engineer officer, if the person has completed an Engineer Officer Education and Training (EOET) Program approved by the Minister as conforming to TP 8911, or
b. at least 30 months carrying out functions related to marine engineering at the support level, as described in column 1 of Table A-III/5 of the STCW Code, if the person has completed a Practical Skills for Marine Engineers (PSME-S) program, approved by the Minister as conforming to TP 13720, out of which at least 6 months must be served while forming part of an engineering watch under the supervision of an engineer officer.

Rights and Privileges
2.1.2 A CoC as “Officer in Charge of an Engineering Watch (STCW)” grants the holder the same rights and privileges as those granted to a person holding a “Fourth Class Engineer” (that meets the STCW Reg. III/1) issued under the current MPR.
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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby JollyJack » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:07 am

ANNEX 2- Requirements to obtain a CoC that meet the STCW 2010 (CoC-STCW 2010) (Engine Department)
2.1 A person who chooses to comply with the STCW 2010 and wishes to obtain a CoC as “Electro-Technical Officer” must meet the following:
2.1.1 In order to obtain a CoC as “Electro-Technical Officer (STCW)” a person must:

1. be at least 18 years of age;

2. hold a certificate issued under the MPR attesting to their medical fitness to perform the duties and undertake the voyages to which the certificate of competency relates;

3. hold the following Certificates of Proficiency: (see RDIMS 10622741)
a. STCW Basic Safety;
b. Survival Craft and Rescue Boats other than Fast Rescue Boats;
c. STCW Advanced Fire Fighting; and
d. Marine Advanced First Aid;

4. provide proof of competency in:
a. Leadership and Teamworking Skills; (see note 2 of ANNEX 3)
b. Maritime Law and Ship’s Business; (see note 3 of ANNEX 3) and
c. English Language Skills; (see note 4 of ANNEX 3)

1. demonstrate the competences listed in column 1 of Table A-III/6 of the STCW Code, using the methods for demonstrating those competences set out in Section 4.4 of ANNEX 4; and

5. have acquired 12 months relevant sea service in the 60 months preceding January 1, 2017, on board vessels, other than a stationary MOU, that have a propulsion power of at least 750 kW carrying out functions, at the support level as described in column 1 of table A-III/7 of the STCW Code (see note 13 of ANNEX 2).

Rights and Privileges
2.1.2 A CoC as “Electro-Technical Officer” grants the holder the privileges to occupy a position of an “Electro-Technical Officer” on board vessels that require such position.
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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby JollyJack » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:10 am

ANNEX 3 – Notes to Requirements to obtain a STCW 2010 (CoC-STCW 2010) (Engine Department)

Note 1. CoC
o The CoC presented must have been issued under the MPR.
 It should be understood that the current policy addresses a transition period to implement the STCW 2010, within the limit of the regulatory requirements of the MPR. If this transition period is to be extended, consideration will be given to allow holders of CoCs, issued in compliance with the STCW 2010, to upgrade their CoCs.

Note 2. Leadership and Managerial Skills or Leadership and Teamworking Skills
o Acceptable proofs of competency are:
 a training certificate issued by one of the Recognized Institutions for completing an Engineer Officer Education and Training (EOET) Program approved by the Minister as conforming to TP 8911 or an approved Leadership course at the level sought, within the 5 years of the application date; or
 while holding an engineer officer CoC, acquire the service set out in subsection 107(3) of the MPR, in the function of the certificate level sought, within the 5 years preceding the application date.

Note 3. Maritime Law and Ship’s Business
o Acceptable proofs of competency are:
 a training certificate issued by one of the Recognized Institutions for completing an Engineer Officer Education and Training (EOET) Program approved by the Minister as conforming to TP 8911or an approved course in Maritime Law and Ship’s Business; or
 while holding an engineer officer CoC, having acquired the service set out in subsection 107(3) of the MPR, within the 5 years preceding the application date.

Note 4. English Language Skills
o Acceptable proofs of competency :
 successful completion of a provincially approved Grade XI English Language course, or acceptable equivalent; or
 acquired, while holding an engineer officer CoC, the service set out in subsection 107(3) of the MPR, within the 5 years preceding the application date.

Note 5. Practical Skills for Marine Engineers
o Acceptable proofs of competency are:
 a training certificate issued by one of the Recognized Institutions for completing an approved PSME course within the 5 years preceding the application date; or
 acquired, while holding an engineer officer CoC, the service set out in subsection 107(3) of the MPR, in the function of an engineer officer, within the 5 years preceding the application date.

Note 6. Propulsion Plant Simulator - PPS 2 course
o Acceptable proofs of competency are:
 a training certificate issued by one of the Recognized Institutions for completing an approved PPS2 course within the 5 years preceding the application date; or
 while holding an engineer CoC, and serving in a managerial function (second or a chief engineer officer), acquire the service set out in subsection 107(3) of the MPR within the 5 years preceding the application date.

Note 7. Propulsion Plant Simulator - PPS 1 course
o Acceptable proofs of competency:
 a training certificate issued by one of the Recognized Institutions for completing an approved PPS1 course within the 5 years preceding the application date; or
 acquired, while holding an engineer officer CoC, the service set out in subsection 107(3) of the MPR, in the function of an engineer officer, within the 5 years preceding the application date.

Note 8. Sea Service Calculation - Chief Engineer Officer (STCW), Second Engineer Officer (STCW)
o Sea service must be acquired while holding, at least, a STCW Reg. III/1 CoC in the function of:
 officer in charge of an engineering watch,
 second engineer, or
 chief engineer.

Note 9. Sea Service Calculation - Chief Engineer Officer less than 6000 kW Power, Near Coastal Voyage.
o Sea service must be acquired while holding at least, a STCW Reg. III/2 CoC in the function of:
 second engineer, or
 chief engineer.

Note 10. Sea Service Calculation - Chief Engineer Officer less than 3000 kW Power
o Sea service must be acquired while holding at least, a STCW Reg. III/3 CoC in the function of:
 second engineer, or
 chief engineer.

Note 11. Sea Service Calculation - Second Engineer Officer less than 3000 kW Propulsion Power and Officer in Charge of an Engineering Watch
o Sea service must be acquired while performing duties equivalent to those described in column 1 of Table A-III/1 of the STCW Code;
o At least 6 of the 30 months of sea service shall be acquired while performing engine room watchkeeping duties, as describe in the in column 1 of Table A-III/1 of Function “Marine engineering at the support level” of the STCW Code.
o “Assistant engineer officer” means a person, registered in an approved Engineering Officer Education and Training Program (EOET), under training to become an engineer officer.

Note 12. Relevant sea service as Electrician
o Service in a position, Electrical Officer, or service related to monitoring, operation or repair of electrical power systems ;
o Sea service acquired while performing duties equivalent to those described in column 1 of Table A-III/7 of the STCW Code
o This experience must be documented in a letter from an employer attesting to the length and type of service, and the applicant’s duties and responsibilities.
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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby JollyJack » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:12 am

ANNEX 4 – Methods to Demonstrate Competency for STCW 2010 CoC (Engine)

4.1 Chief Engineer Officer (STCW), Chief Engineer Officer less than 6000 kW Power, Near Coastal Voyage, Chief Engineer Officer less than 3000 kW Power and Second Engineer Officer (STCW)

4.1.1 The person demonstrates competency by:

1. holding a valid CoC, issued under the MPR, that meets the STCW Reg. III/2 of the STCW Convention;

2. providing a training certificate issued for a program that started after 2008, by one of the RI for completing an approved Engineering Officer Education and Training Program (EOET), in accordance with EOET Program “Chief and Second Engineer” of TP 8911; or

3. providing documentary evidence for passing approved examinations in the following subject areas at the management level:
a. Engineering Knowledge;
b. Ship Construction, Stability and Propulsion;
c. Electro-technology and Automation;
d. Applied Mechanics;
e. Applied Thermodynamics; and
f. Maritime Law and Ship’s Business.
o Examinations may address individual or multiple subject areas.
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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby JollyJack » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:13 am

ANNEX 4 – Methods to Demonstrate Competency for STCW 2010 CoC (Engine)

4.1 Second Engineer Officer less than 3000 kW Power

4.1.1 The person demonstrates competency by:

1. holding at the a valid CoC, issued under the MPR, that meets the STCW Reg. III/3 of the STCW Convention;

2. providing a training certificate issued for a program that started after 2008, by one of the RI for completing an approved Engineering Officer Education and Training Program (EOET), in accordance with EOET Program “Chief and Second Engineer” of TP 8911; or

3. providing documentary evidence for passing approved examinations in the following subject areas at the management level:
a. Engineering Knowledge;
b. Ship Construction, Stability and Propulsion;
c. Electro-Technology and Automation;
d. Applied Mechanics;
e. Applied Thermodynamics; and
f. Maritime Law and Ship’s Business.

o Examinations may address individual or multiple subject areas.
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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby JollyJack » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:15 am

ANNEX 4 – Methods to Demonstrate Competency for STCW 2010 CoC (Engine)
4.1 Officer in Charge of an Engineering Watch (STCW)

4.1.1 The person demonstrates competency by:

1. holding a valid CoC, issued under the MPR, that meets the STCW Reg. III/1 of the STCW Convention;

2. providing a training certificate issued for a program that started after 2008, by one of the RI for completing an approved Engineering Officer Education and Training Program (EOET), in accordance with EOET Program “Officer in Charge of an Engineering Watch” of TP 8911; or

3. providing documentary evidence for passing approved examinations in the following subject areas at the operational level:
a. Engineering Knowledge including Chemistry;
b. Ship Construction and Stability;
c. Electro-Technology and Automation;
d. Applied Mechanics and Mathematics;
e. Applied Thermodynamics; and
f. Ship Operation, watchkeeping and practical skill.

o Examinations may address individual or multiple subject areas.
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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby JollyJack » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:16 am

ANNEX 4 – Methods to Demonstrate Competency for STCW 2010 CoC (Engine)
4.1 Electro-Technical Officer

4.1.1 The person demonstrates competency by:

1. Providing documentary evidence such as;
a. Holding a valid CoC, issue by a maritime administration, recognized as meeting the requirement of Reg. III/6 of the STCW Convention;
b. a training certificate, or a diploma, from a regulated institution, that demonstrates an equivalent achievement of the competences listed in column 1 of Table A-III/6 of the STCW Code;
c. a training certificate, or a diploma, from a provincially approved electrical apprenticeship or trade qualification, equivalent to the competences requirement, listed in column 1 of Table A-III/6 of the STCW Code; or
d. a diploma or degree in electrical engineering technology, marine electrician, or instrumentation and controls technology, from a regulated institution, that is equivalent to the requirements of Reg. III/6 of the STCW Code; or

2. Providing documentary evidence for passing approved examinations in the following subject areas:
a. Safe use, operation monitoring, maintenance and repair of electrical electronic and control equipment, including control systems of main propulsion and auxiliary machinery, cargo-handling, deck machinery and hotel equipment;
b. Safety requirements for working on shipboard electrical system, including operation of generators and distribution system, detection of electrical malfunction and measures to prevent damage;
c. Operation of shipboard computers and computer networks;
d. Knowledge of the principles and maintenance procedures of navigation equipment, including internal communication system;
e. Practical knowledge of testing, maintenance, faults finding and repair operations; and
f. Occupational health and safety procedures.

o Examinations may address individual or multiple subject areas.
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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby banasa » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:52 am

Any idea how will be the transition for those doing their exams for the first class in T.C offices when the new law come into force ?

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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby JollyJack » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:53 pm

I would strongly suggest, that, if you want First Class, you do the Exams now. There will be two levels of Exams, in STCW 2010, Operational and Management. I strongly suspect (and I have advocated for) "Operational" to be 3rd Class level and "Management" to be 1st Class level. Once the new MPRs are in force, late fall 2018, the ONLY way to advance is by block credit at an approved school. There will be no more TC Exams. Block credit courses will be run (for several thousand dollars) when a school has enough students to cover the cost of the course. Guess how often THAT will be!
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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby JollyJack » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:54 pm

I would strongly suggest, that, if you want First Class, you do the Exams now. There will be two levels of Exams, in STCW 2010, Operational and Management. I strongly suspect (and I have advocated for) "Operational" to be 3rd Class level and "Management" to be 1st Class level. Once the new MPRs are in force, late fall 2018, the ONLY way to advance is by block credit at an approved school. There will be no more TC Exams. Block credit courses will be run (for several thousand dollars) when a school has enough students to cover the cost of the course. Guess how often THAT will be!
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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby JK » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:14 am

Will this be at provincially funded schools?

If so, TC has just about successfully killed the marine industry in this country. It may not be right away but it will be of attrition.
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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby Revolver » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:25 pm

(Referring specifically to Chief level)
Block courses for every area of required knowledge.
Individual block course for each (Or is that yet to be determined?):
a. Engineering Knowledge;
b. Ship Construction, Stability and Propulsion;
c. Electro-technology and Automation;
d. Applied Mechanics;
e. Applied Thermodynamics; and
f. Maritime Law and Ship’s Business.

I did the 4 year program, we learned all those things...that's a lot of information to be packed into a presumably short-ish block course.
I might be able to see like 2 weeks of 8 hour days of intensive learning (per subject), and you better have a pretty keen mind and still be fluent with a calculator and manipulating formula.

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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby JollyJack » Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:59 pm

It seems to me, JK, that this is the intention. CETA will be in force very soon and EU flags all have "second registries", in which all the crews are third world, $10 a day types.
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Re: new exams for new lisencing regs?.

Postby LEKXIE » Mon May 01, 2017 7:40 am

I have just been accepted to Georgian college marine technician course starting in fall. it's a 2 year program and I will be graduating as a 4th engineer. From the little research I have done, this new licensing requirements seems to be better than the old requirements, it seems it's easier to move up the ranks now especially if you attend the 4 year course, since there won't be any need for you to sit for any additional TC exam each time you want to move up the rank, all the course you require to move up the rank (operational and management courses) would have been covered in the program. After graduation all you need to do is to build up your sea time and progress.

The Georgian college course however is at the operational level, additional courses at the management level will need to be taken to become second/chief. The reason why I am choosing the 2 year course is because I get to start working earlier, I am 37 years old and have a family hence it is important I get this done and start working asap.


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