ETO CoC?

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ETO CoC?

Postby steve_n_ottawa » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:47 am

Hello all.
I've seen Ship Safety Bulletin (SSB) 05/2017 come and then go. I was very interested in the ETO CoC but that has completely been removed now.
I emailed the Marine Personnel Standards, Pilotage and Medicine Marine Safety & Security office and asked if/when will the ETO CoC path be specified and got this as an answer:

The Ship Safety Bulletin (SSB) 05/2017 “Update on how to meet STCW 2010 Manila Convention Requirements for Officers and Ratings in the Engine Department” was rescinded on November 7, 2017 due to inconsistencies with the Maritime personnel regulations and the STCW 2010 Manila Convention. Unfortunately, based on this fact, the Electro-Technical Officer Certificate of Competency will not be issued for the time being. As soon as the Maritime personnel regulations is amended to take into account the amendments made to the STCW 2010 Manila Convention we will begin issuing the ETO CoC based on the requirements set out then.

My question to the forum is: does anyone have _any_ insight into what "As soon as the Maritime personnel regulations is amended" actually means?
IE when will this occur? Will it occur? Should I seek a ETO CoC somewhere else instead of waiting for TC to get this done?
It's pretty difficult to plan a career around "as soon as the government gets around to this"! But at least they did answer my email!

Thanks for any insight you may offer!

-Steve

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Re: ETO CoC?

Postby NLMate » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:24 pm

I was told by one of the Examiners at my local TC office that the MPR's are currently under review and being amended to meet the requirements of STCW 2010. According to that examiner they said it should be released sometime in 2018.

Personally I would not bet on that.

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Re: ETO CoC?

Postby JK » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:09 am

I think TC is in turmoil. Their good people are fleeing in droves and retiring. Who knows who is doing this work now is the same person as last week.

When, and do not doubt it will happen, when there is a big accident, pollution, people killed, property destruction, there will be consternation at what has been allowed to happen to our regulatory oversight.

I thought the rail accident would do it but a scapegoat was found in a timely manner.

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Re: ETO CoC?

Postby JollyJack » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:17 am

I don't retire for a few months yet. :) Your info is correct Mr. Mate, ETO will come out with the new MPRs sometime this year. (2018)
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Re: ETO CoC?

Postby steve_n_ottawa » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:43 pm

It would be great to have a bit of insight as to what the qualifications might be for experienced seafarers. If that is a route that will still be available that is. So this way I can at least prepare for the SSB/regs update. One big issue I see is that I don't believe there are any short courses available in Canada...or workshop courses if that will become a requirement.

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Re: ETO CoC?

Postby JK » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:26 am

the problem is that the Feds make the rules, the provinces provide training courses.

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Re: ETO CoC?

Postby JollyJack » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:33 pm

the requirements are all in the STCW code, section III/6, I based all the exams on that.
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Re: ETO CoC?

Postby steve_n_ottawa » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:27 pm

Hello again all.
I've been reading the IMO STCW code regarding ETO qualifications.
Table A-III/6 spells things out pretty clearly.
What I'm after specifically is whether Canada will have some kind of 'experienced seafarer' clause like many other countries do. IE the UK's MCA has a document titled "Training & Certification Guidance: UK Requirements For Electro-technical Officers" where by they permit a route that experienced seafarers can go through to obtain the ETO CoC.
"3.3 If you are an existing ETO or are working in a similar capacity, with 12 months’ seagoing service as an ETO or 12 months’ seagoing service carrying out similar duties, you must: ..."
Does anyone have any insight if Canada will have a similar route? The UK shuts the door on this route in 2020 and all sea-time must have been obtained by 2016. I don't see anything in the IMO STCW Manila 2010 - Section A-III/6 & Section B-III/6 that refers to existing seafarers.
Basically, will Canada recognize people who have worked as ETOs for years? Or do we have to start all over again?
Thank you very much!

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Re: ETO CoC?

Postby JollyJack » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:57 pm

Steve, yes.
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Re: ETO CoC?

Postby steve_n_ottawa » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:30 pm

Hi all.
I wonder if anyone has heard of any updates re STWC licensing?
Thanks.
-Steve

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Re: ETO CoC?

Postby The Dieselduck » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:58 am

Have you seen viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4378 yet. I believe this may answer some of your questions.
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Re: ETO CoC?

Postby steve_n_ottawa » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:24 pm

Hi Martin and thanks for the link.
Too bad there isn't any 'meat' regarding the ETO route yet.


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